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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://markdoebler.com/2008/02/19/emasculated-men-church/#comment-323</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pastor Dean -

David Murrow's latest book (How Women Help Men Find God) has a few more practical ideas, and is targeted towards women to drive/encourage some of the change. Also, in the next few months a dvd of Promise Keepers' "Grow Your Men, Grow Your Church" which has had great response will be available, in which David presents "Ten Ways to Man Up Your Church".

On Sunday I spoke about PK at a local church, one where the sr pastor and council president were both at the PK event Friday.  One of the prominant bulletin points was that there were volunteers to cover the cost of altar flowers for each remaining week of 2008.

I mentioned to the council president, "What if instead of flowers every week, there was something that more represented the sermon?   If the message is about breaking the bondage of sin, pile up some chains on the shelves.   It could be a 'visual touchstone' that could be further strengthened by giving each person a chain link as a physical touchstone."

He seemed interested in the idea, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they try it in their evening services, which have intentionally been structured to connect to men (even had a pneumatic nailer in the service one week to make a point). 

Unfortunately, I had to point out that implementing this idea in the morning service would have to wait for 2009 - they already have people signed up through the rest of 2008!

If you're anywhere near Cleveland, Ft Lauderdale, Charleston, or Tacoma, you can still catch PK's pastors/leaders conference live.  Speakers are David Murrow, Steve Sonderman (Top Gun Ministries) and Kenny Luck (Everyman Ministries, Saddleback).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pastor Dean -</p>
<p>David Murrow&#8217;s latest book (How Women Help Men Find God) has a few more practical ideas, and is targeted towards women to drive/encourage some of the change. Also, in the next few months a dvd of Promise Keepers&#8217; &#8220;Grow Your Men, Grow Your Church&#8221; which has had great response will be available, in which David presents &#8220;Ten Ways to Man Up Your Church&#8221;.</p>
<p>On Sunday I spoke about PK at a local church, one where the sr pastor and council president were both at the PK event Friday.  One of the prominant bulletin points was that there were volunteers to cover the cost of altar flowers for each remaining week of 2008.</p>
<p>I mentioned to the council president, &#8220;What if instead of flowers every week, there was something that more represented the sermon?   If the message is about breaking the bondage of sin, pile up some chains on the shelves.   It could be a &#8216;visual touchstone&#8217; that could be further strengthened by giving each person a chain link as a physical touchstone.&#8221;</p>
<p>He seemed interested in the idea, and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised at all if they try it in their evening services, which have intentionally been structured to connect to men (even had a pneumatic nailer in the service one week to make a point). </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I had to point out that implementing this idea in the morning service would have to wait for 2009 - they already have people signed up through the rest of 2008!</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re anywhere near Cleveland, Ft Lauderdale, Charleston, or Tacoma, you can still catch PK&#8217;s pastors/leaders conference live.  Speakers are David Murrow, Steve Sonderman (Top Gun Ministries) and Kenny Luck (Everyman Ministries, Saddleback).</p>
<p>Rich</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Doebler</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pastor Dean,
Thank you so much for the affirmation.  I haven't written any books...yet.  But it is something I have pondered.  There is a real and pressing need to connect men to the faith that Jesus called us to.  It seems to be increasingly difficult to accomplish that.  Are we in a irreversable cycle?  I don't believe so.. if I did, I might just give up.  However, there are no easy answers.  Success in many ventures comes at the price of doing what many will not.  I think that is our current reality in church-culture.  To succeed in bringing men back into a vibrant faith, we will have to persist at attempting and trying things that others will not.  Eventually, we'll come to see the answers that are eluding us now.  The more of us that are trying, the sooner we will make the necessary discoveries.  

Hope to hear from you again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pastor Dean,<br />
Thank you so much for the affirmation.  I haven&#8217;t written any books&#8230;yet.  But it is something I have pondered.  There is a real and pressing need to connect men to the faith that Jesus called us to.  It seems to be increasingly difficult to accomplish that.  Are we in a irreversable cycle?  I don&#8217;t believe so.. if I did, I might just give up.  However, there are no easy answers.  Success in many ventures comes at the price of doing what many will not.  I think that is our current reality in church-culture.  To succeed in bringing men back into a vibrant faith, we will have to persist at attempting and trying things that others will not.  Eventually, we&#8217;ll come to see the answers that are eluding us now.  The more of us that are trying, the sooner we will make the necessary discoveries.  </p>
<p>Hope to hear from you again.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Dean</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love your work -- would love to know more! (got any books or idea articles?? -- I've read the "critique" books (Murrow etal) but not much by the way of practical help out there!) Have a feeling we're losing a generation because we're losing men. 15 years ago I heard a missionary to an Asian country say he had invited a man to church; the man almost spit and said, "WHY would I want to go there -- that's a women's institution." As a missionary myself later in Germany, I saw the ancient German churches nearly empty of people, and of those who were there, 80-90% were women. How far from that are we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love your work &#8212; would love to know more! (got any books or idea articles?? &#8212; I&#8217;ve read the &#8220;critique&#8221; books (Murrow etal) but not much by the way of practical help out there!) Have a feeling we&#8217;re losing a generation because we&#8217;re losing men. 15 years ago I heard a missionary to an Asian country say he had invited a man to church; the man almost spit and said, &#8220;WHY would I want to go there &#8212; that&#8217;s a women&#8217;s institution.&#8221; As a missionary myself later in Germany, I saw the ancient German churches nearly empty of people, and of those who were there, 80-90% were women. How far from that are we?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://markdoebler.com/2008/02/19/emasculated-men-church/#comment-58</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't remember if Paul Coughlin mentioned this specifically at The Grove last April, but as he was working on one of his books, a discussion with a single Christian female working at a Christian publishing house shared that her and her friends (also single Christian females) agreed that...

"an ideal man has been a Christian less than two years - then they still have some masculinity left."

How scary is that?  Even women in the church aren't attracted to the males created by modern Christianity!</description>
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<p>&#8220;an ideal man has been a Christian less than two years - then they still have some masculinity left.&#8221;</p>
<p>How scary is that?  Even women in the church aren&#8217;t attracted to the males created by modern Christianity!</p>
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		<title>By: Tammy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sure it comes as a surprise to anyone who knows me , but I wholeheartedly agree with the article Coach Mark posted.  I grew up oblivious to it, but this is one of those things that, once you see it, you can't UNsee it.  I get so disgusted with most of the things on television.  I abhor the fact that so many of the networks and cable tv stations have feminist agendas that are becoming less and less hidden.  Commercials are downright degrading to men, as are many sitcoms.  It infuriates me!!  And it scares me--I'm raising a boy, and with all that is in me, I want him to grow up proud of the fact that he is a MAN.  I think the root of that is teaching him to see a true picture of our Savior, as he is presented in Scripture.  Not just the warm, fluffy, sweet guy that wouldn't hurt a flea (which is the picture most people have of Jesus), but as the strong, outspoken, bold man of God that he was.

I could go on and on about this...  so I'll stop here for now.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure it comes as a surprise to anyone who knows me , but I wholeheartedly agree with the article Coach Mark posted.  I grew up oblivious to it, but this is one of those things that, once you see it, you can&#8217;t UNsee it.  I get so disgusted with most of the things on television.  I abhor the fact that so many of the networks and cable tv stations have feminist agendas that are becoming less and less hidden.  Commercials are downright degrading to men, as are many sitcoms.  It infuriates me!!  And it scares me&#8211;I&#8217;m raising a boy, and with all that is in me, I want him to grow up proud of the fact that he is a MAN.  I think the root of that is teaching him to see a true picture of our Savior, as he is presented in Scripture.  Not just the warm, fluffy, sweet guy that wouldn&#8217;t hurt a flea (which is the picture most people have of Jesus), but as the strong, outspoken, bold man of God that he was.</p>
<p>I could go on and on about this&#8230;  so I&#8217;ll stop here for now.  <img src='http://markdoebler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Lorie</title>
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		<description>Came across this today! Found it very interesting!


Raising Bold Sons
Vicki Courtney
Author, Your Boy
"And we urge you, brothers, warn those who are idle, encourage the timid, help the weak, be patient with everyone" (Thess. 5:14).

When Ryan was in kindergarten at a private Christian school, the headmaster would take the time to train the boys on the mechanics of a proper greeting. If he approached Ryan, he would extend his hand and say, "Well, hello Mr. Courtney. How are you today?" If Ryan looked down at the ground (like the average five-year-old), the headmaster would patiently and gently tell Ryan to extend his hand, look him directly in the eye, shake his hand firmly, and with confidence say, "Fine, thank you." When Ryan would do so, he would say, "Atta boy, Ryan -- good firm handshake." It was a great example to me and proof that boys as young as five can learn to greet adults respectfully.

Keith and I continued to enforce this school rule of etiquette in our home, and to this day our boys are generally at ease when greeting and conversing with adults. Had we not remained vigilant in training our boys in basic communication etiquette, they probably would be like the many boys who stare at the ground and grunt disrespectfully when adults speak to them. While I realize that many boys may be justifiably "bashful," this does not mean we should allow it to be an excuse to respond to others with silence.

Ryan was my bashful child, and we had to work with him to overcome it. I recall a time when we came to a standoff over his bashfulness. He was about ten years old, and I had told him we could rent a particular movie he had wanted to see. When we pulled up in front of the video rental store, I told him that I would wait in the car while he went in to ask if they had the movie in stock. He begged and pleaded for me to go in and would not budge from the car. I stood firm and told him, "Ryan, you have to learn to take care of things like this. This person behind the counter does not even know you. You have nothing to lose." Finally, he gave up, faced his fear, and went into the store.

I realized that because of his bashfulness, I had grown accustomed to communicating for him over the years, and now it had become an expectation on his part. I had effectively prevented him from learning necessary communication skills that were vital to his future. It was now or never. From that day forward, if he was looking for a particular item to buy with his allowance, I would have him take the initiative to call stores and find out the basic information. He was hesitant at first, but if he wanted the item badly enough, he would eventually break down and call. Today you would never know that Ryan ever had a bashful/shy side to him. Had we not recognized his bashful tendencies early on and made a concentrated effort to help him overcome them, I doubt he would have had the skills to go out and find his first summer job this past year.

If timidity is allowed and even cultivated in our sons' lives,  it can breed a spiritual timidity over the years. If our sons are allowed to shy away from uncertainties, what will keep them from shying away from matters that require faith?

Do you recall the story of Gideon sending out his messengers to summon the warriors for a battle to deliver the Israelites from the hands of the Midianites? In order to make sure that there is no question that the Israelites would be delivered by the hand of God, Gideon is told by God to pare down his force of warriors so they will have fewer men than the Midianites when they go into battle. To make the first cut of men, God tells Gideon this in Judges 7:3: "Therefore, tell the people, 'Whoever is timid or afraid may leave and go home.' Twenty-two thousand of them went home, leaving only ten thousand who were willing to fight" (NLT).

No doubt, it would take a great amount of faith for the warriors to believe that they would prevail in the end, especially with fewer men. If your son were of fighting age, would he be among the remaining ten thousand who were willing to fight, or would he be among the twenty-two thousand who wimped out and went home? Without intervention by parents or others, timid boys almost always grow up to be timid men. Warriors have no reason to be timid and afraid; they know whom they serve.

It is my belief that our culture has hijacked many of the components of biblical manhood. They have blurred the lines of what defines a man, leaving our boys and men confused and suffering from an identity crisis of sorts. Many men have abandoned their roles as providers, protectors, and spiritual leaders. Families are falling apart, marriages are in shambles, and gender roles have been redefined. The fallout is great, and today we are experiencing a shortage of real men. If our sons are to be real men, we must first help them cultivate the warrior spirit within. We must prepare them for the battlefields of life and groom them to be warriors, not wimps.



Excerpted from Your Boy: Raising a Godly Son in an Ungodly World (Broadman &#38; Holman Publishers). Copyright © 2006 by Vicki Courtney. Used with permission. All rights reserved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Came across this today! Found it very interesting!</p>
<p>Raising Bold Sons<br />
Vicki Courtney<br />
Author, Your Boy<br />
&#8220;And we urge you, brothers, warn those who are idle, encourage the timid, help the weak, be patient with everyone&#8221; (Thess. 5:14).</p>
<p>When Ryan was in kindergarten at a private Christian school, the headmaster would take the time to train the boys on the mechanics of a proper greeting. If he approached Ryan, he would extend his hand and say, &#8220;Well, hello Mr. Courtney. How are you today?&#8221; If Ryan looked down at the ground (like the average five-year-old), the headmaster would patiently and gently tell Ryan to extend his hand, look him directly in the eye, shake his hand firmly, and with confidence say, &#8220;Fine, thank you.&#8221; When Ryan would do so, he would say, &#8220;Atta boy, Ryan &#8212; good firm handshake.&#8221; It was a great example to me and proof that boys as young as five can learn to greet adults respectfully.</p>
<p>Keith and I continued to enforce this school rule of etiquette in our home, and to this day our boys are generally at ease when greeting and conversing with adults. Had we not remained vigilant in training our boys in basic communication etiquette, they probably would be like the many boys who stare at the ground and grunt disrespectfully when adults speak to them. While I realize that many boys may be justifiably &#8220;bashful,&#8221; this does not mean we should allow it to be an excuse to respond to others with silence.</p>
<p>Ryan was my bashful child, and we had to work with him to overcome it. I recall a time when we came to a standoff over his bashfulness. He was about ten years old, and I had told him we could rent a particular movie he had wanted to see. When we pulled up in front of the video rental store, I told him that I would wait in the car while he went in to ask if they had the movie in stock. He begged and pleaded for me to go in and would not budge from the car. I stood firm and told him, &#8220;Ryan, you have to learn to take care of things like this. This person behind the counter does not even know you. You have nothing to lose.&#8221; Finally, he gave up, faced his fear, and went into the store.</p>
<p>I realized that because of his bashfulness, I had grown accustomed to communicating for him over the years, and now it had become an expectation on his part. I had effectively prevented him from learning necessary communication skills that were vital to his future. It was now or never. From that day forward, if he was looking for a particular item to buy with his allowance, I would have him take the initiative to call stores and find out the basic information. He was hesitant at first, but if he wanted the item badly enough, he would eventually break down and call. Today you would never know that Ryan ever had a bashful/shy side to him. Had we not recognized his bashful tendencies early on and made a concentrated effort to help him overcome them, I doubt he would have had the skills to go out and find his first summer job this past year.</p>
<p>If timidity is allowed and even cultivated in our sons&#8217; lives,  it can breed a spiritual timidity over the years. If our sons are allowed to shy away from uncertainties, what will keep them from shying away from matters that require faith?</p>
<p>Do you recall the story of Gideon sending out his messengers to summon the warriors for a battle to deliver the Israelites from the hands of the Midianites? In order to make sure that there is no question that the Israelites would be delivered by the hand of God, Gideon is told by God to pare down his force of warriors so they will have fewer men than the Midianites when they go into battle. To make the first cut of men, God tells Gideon this in Judges 7:3: &#8220;Therefore, tell the people, &#8216;Whoever is timid or afraid may leave and go home.&#8217; Twenty-two thousand of them went home, leaving only ten thousand who were willing to fight&#8221; (NLT).</p>
<p>No doubt, it would take a great amount of faith for the warriors to believe that they would prevail in the end, especially with fewer men. If your son were of fighting age, would he be among the remaining ten thousand who were willing to fight, or would he be among the twenty-two thousand who wimped out and went home? Without intervention by parents or others, timid boys almost always grow up to be timid men. Warriors have no reason to be timid and afraid; they know whom they serve.</p>
<p>It is my belief that our culture has hijacked many of the components of biblical manhood. They have blurred the lines of what defines a man, leaving our boys and men confused and suffering from an identity crisis of sorts. Many men have abandoned their roles as providers, protectors, and spiritual leaders. Families are falling apart, marriages are in shambles, and gender roles have been redefined. The fallout is great, and today we are experiencing a shortage of real men. If our sons are to be real men, we must first help them cultivate the warrior spirit within. We must prepare them for the battlefields of life and groom them to be warriors, not wimps.</p>
<p>Excerpted from Your Boy: Raising a Godly Son in an Ungodly World (Broadman &amp; Holman Publishers). Copyright © 2006 by Vicki Courtney. Used with permission. All rights reserved.</p>
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<p>David Murrow&#8217;s latest book (How Women Help Men Find God) has a few more practical ideas, and is targeted towards women to drive/encourage some of the change. Also, in the next few months a dvd of Promise Keepers&#8217; &#8220;Grow Your Men, Grow Your Church&#8221; which has had great response will be available, in which David presents &#8220;Ten Ways to Man Up Your Church&#8221;.</p>
<p>On Sunday I spoke about PK at a local church, one where the sr pastor and council president were both at the PK event Friday.  One of the prominant bulletin points was that there were volunteers to cover the cost of altar flowers for each remaining week of 2008.</p>
<p>I mentioned to the council president, &#8220;What if instead of flowers every week, there was something that more represented the sermon?   If the message is about breaking the bondage of sin, pile up some chains on the shelves.   It could be a &#8216;visual touchstone&#8217; that could be further strengthened by giving each person a chain link as a physical touchstone.&#8221;</p>
<p>He seemed interested in the idea, and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised at all if they try it in their evening services, which have intentionally been structured to connect to men (even had a pneumatic nailer in the service one week to make a point). </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I had to point out that implementing this idea in the morning service would have to wait for 2009 - they already have people signed up through the rest of 2008!</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re anywhere near Cleveland, Ft Lauderdale, Charleston, or Tacoma, you can still catch PK&#8217;s pastors/leaders conference live.  Speakers are David Murrow, Steve Sonderman (Top Gun Ministries) and Kenny Luck (Everyman Ministries, Saddleback).</p>
<p>Rich</p>

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<p>David Murrow&#8217;s latest book (How Women Help Men Find God) has a few more practical ideas, and is targeted towards women to drive/encourage some of the change. Also, in the next few months a dvd of Promise Keepers&#8217; &#8220;Grow Your Men, Grow Your Church&#8221; which has had great response will be available, in which David presents &#8220;Ten Ways to Man Up Your Church&#8221;.</p>
<p>On Sunday I spoke about PK at a local church, one where the sr pastor and council president were both at the PK event Friday.  One of the prominant bulletin points was that there were volunteers to cover the cost of altar flowers for each remaining week of 2008.</p>
<p>I mentioned to the council president, &#8220;What if instead of flowers every week, there was something that more represented the sermon?   If the message is about breaking the bondage of sin, pile up some chains on the shelves.   It could be a &#8216;visual touchstone&#8217; that could be further strengthened by giving each person a chain link as a physical touchstone.&#8221;</p>
<p>He seemed interested in the idea, and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised at all if they try it in their evening services, which have intentionally been structured to connect to men (even had a pneumatic nailer in the service one week to make a point). </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I had to point out that implementing this idea in the morning service would have to wait for 2009 - they already have people signed up through the rest of 2008!</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re anywhere near Cleveland, Ft Lauderdale, Charleston, or Tacoma, you can still catch PK&#8217;s pastors/leaders conference live.  Speakers are David Murrow, Steve Sonderman (Top Gun Ministries) and Kenny Luck (Everyman Ministries, Saddleback).</p>
<p>Rich</p>

Start uga_filter: <p>Pastor Dean,<br />
Thank you so much for the affirmation.  I haven&#8217;t written any books&#8230;yet.  But it is something I have pondered.  There is a real and pressing need to connect men to the faith that Jesus called us to.  It seems to be increasingly difficult to accomplish that.  Are we in a irreversable cycle?  I don&#8217;t believe so.. if I did, I might just give up.  However, there are no easy answers.  Success in many ventures comes at the price of doing what many will not.  I think that is our current reality in church-culture.  To succeed in bringing men back into a vibrant faith, we will have to persist at attempting and trying things that others will not.  Eventually, we&#8217;ll come to see the answers that are eluding us now.  The more of us that are trying, the sooner we will make the necessary discoveries.  </p>
<p>Hope to hear from you again.</p>

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Thank you so much for the affirmation.  I haven&#8217;t written any books&#8230;yet.  But it is something I have pondered.  There is a real and pressing need to connect men to the faith that Jesus called us to.  It seems to be increasingly difficult to accomplish that.  Are we in a irreversable cycle?  I don&#8217;t believe so.. if I did, I might just give up.  However, there are no easy answers.  Success in many ventures comes at the price of doing what many will not.  I think that is our current reality in church-culture.  To succeed in bringing men back into a vibrant faith, we will have to persist at attempting and trying things that others will not.  Eventually, we&#8217;ll come to see the answers that are eluding us now.  The more of us that are trying, the sooner we will make the necessary discoveries.  </p>
<p>Hope to hear from you again.</p>

Start uga_filter: <p>Love your work &#8212; would love to know more! (got any books or idea articles?? &#8212; I&#8217;ve read the &#8220;critique&#8221; books (Murrow etal) but not much by the way of practical help out there!) Have a feeling we&#8217;re losing a generation because we&#8217;re losing men. 15 years ago I heard a missionary to an Asian country say he had invited a man to church; the man almost spit and said, &#8220;WHY would I want to go there &#8212; that&#8217;s a women&#8217;s institution.&#8221; As a missionary myself later in Germany, I saw the ancient German churches nearly empty of people, and of those who were there, 80-90% were women. How far from that are we?</p>

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Start uga_filter: <p>I don&#8217;t remember if Paul Coughlin mentioned this specifically at The Grove last April, but as he was working on one of his books, a discussion with a single Christian female working at a Christian publishing house shared that her and her friends (also single Christian females) agreed that&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;an ideal man has been a Christian less than two years - then they still have some masculinity left.&#8221;</p>
<p>How scary is that?  Even women in the church aren&#8217;t attracted to the males created by modern Christianity!</p>

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<p>&#8220;an ideal man has been a Christian less than two years - then they still have some masculinity left.&#8221;</p>
<p>How scary is that?  Even women in the church aren&#8217;t attracted to the males created by modern Christianity!</p>

Start uga_filter: <p>I&#8217;m sure it comes as a surprise to anyone who knows me , but I wholeheartedly agree with the article Coach Mark posted.  I grew up oblivious to it, but this is one of those things that, once you see it, you can&#8217;t UNsee it.  I get so disgusted with most of the things on television.  I abhor the fact that so many of the networks and cable tv stations have feminist agendas that are becoming less and less hidden.  Commercials are downright degrading to men, as are many sitcoms.  It infuriates me!!  And it scares me&#8211;I&#8217;m raising a boy, and with all that is in me, I want him to grow up proud of the fact that he is a MAN.  I think the root of that is teaching him to see a true picture of our Savior, as he is presented in Scripture.  Not just the warm, fluffy, sweet guy that wouldn&#8217;t hurt a flea (which is the picture most people have of Jesus), but as the strong, outspoken, bold man of God that he was.</p>
<p>I could go on and on about this&#8230;  so I&#8217;ll stop here for now.  <img src='http://markdoebler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>

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Ending uga_filter: <p>I&#8217;m sure it comes as a surprise to anyone who knows me , but I wholeheartedly agree with the article Coach Mark posted.  I grew up oblivious to it, but this is one of those things that, once you see it, you can&#8217;t UNsee it.  I get so disgusted with most of the things on television.  I abhor the fact that so many of the networks and cable tv stations have feminist agendas that are becoming less and less hidden.  Commercials are downright degrading to men, as are many sitcoms.  It infuriates me!!  And it scares me&#8211;I&#8217;m raising a boy, and with all that is in me, I want him to grow up proud of the fact that he is a MAN.  I think the root of that is teaching him to see a true picture of our Savior, as he is presented in Scripture.  Not just the warm, fluffy, sweet guy that wouldn&#8217;t hurt a flea (which is the picture most people have of Jesus), but as the strong, outspoken, bold man of God that he was.</p>
<p>I could go on and on about this&#8230;  so I&#8217;ll stop here for now.  <img src='http://markdoebler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>

Start uga_filter: <p>Came across this today! Found it very interesting!</p>
<p>Raising Bold Sons<br />
Vicki Courtney<br />
Author, Your Boy<br />
&#8220;And we urge you, brothers, warn those who are idle, encourage the timid, help the weak, be patient with everyone&#8221; (Thess. 5:14).</p>
<p>When Ryan was in kindergarten at a private Christian school, the headmaster would take the time to train the boys on the mechanics of a proper greeting. If he approached Ryan, he would extend his hand and say, &#8220;Well, hello Mr. Courtney. How are you today?&#8221; If Ryan looked down at the ground (like the average five-year-old), the headmaster would patiently and gently tell Ryan to extend his hand, look him directly in the eye, shake his hand firmly, and with confidence say, &#8220;Fine, thank you.&#8221; When Ryan would do so, he would say, &#8220;Atta boy, Ryan &#8212; good firm handshake.&#8221; It was a great example to me and proof that boys as young as five can learn to greet adults respectfully.</p>
<p>Keith and I continued to enforce this school rule of etiquette in our home, and to this day our boys are generally at ease when greeting and conversing with adults. Had we not remained vigilant in training our boys in basic communication etiquette, they probably would be like the many boys who stare at the ground and grunt disrespectfully when adults speak to them. While I realize that many boys may be justifiably &#8220;bashful,&#8221; this does not mean we should allow it to be an excuse to respond to others with silence.</p>
<p>Ryan was my bashful child, and we had to work with him to overcome it. I recall a time when we came to a standoff over his bashfulness. He was about ten years old, and I had told him we could rent a particular movie he had wanted to see. When we pulled up in front of the video rental store, I told him that I would wait in the car while he went in to ask if they had the movie in stock. He begged and pleaded for me to go in and would not budge from the car. I stood firm and told him, &#8220;Ryan, you have to learn to take care of things like this. This person behind the counter does not even know you. You have nothing to lose.&#8221; Finally, he gave up, faced his fear, and went into the store.</p>
<p>I realized that because of his bashfulness, I had grown accustomed to communicating for him over the years, and now it had become an expectation on his part. I had effectively prevented him from learning necessary communication skills that were vital to his future. It was now or never. From that day forward, if he was looking for a particular item to buy with his allowance, I would have him take the initiative to call stores and find out the basic information. He was hesitant at first, but if he wanted the item badly enough, he would eventually break down and call. Today you would never know that Ryan ever had a bashful/shy side to him. Had we not recognized his bashful tendencies early on and made a concentrated effort to help him overcome them, I doubt he would have had the skills to go out and find his first summer job this past year.</p>
<p>If timidity is allowed and even cultivated in our sons&#8217; lives,  it can breed a spiritual timidity over the years. If our sons are allowed to shy away from uncertainties, what will keep them from shying away from matters that require faith?</p>
<p>Do you recall the story of Gideon sending out his messengers to summon the warriors for a battle to deliver the Israelites from the hands of the Midianites? In order to make sure that there is no question that the Israelites would be delivered by the hand of God, Gideon is told by God to pare down his force of warriors so they will have fewer men than the Midianites when they go into battle. To make the first cut of men, God tells Gideon this in Judges 7:3: &#8220;Therefore, tell the people, &#8216;Whoever is timid or afraid may leave and go home.&#8217; Twenty-two thousand of them went home, leaving only ten thousand who were willing to fight&#8221; (NLT).</p>
<p>No doubt, it would take a great amount of faith for the warriors to believe that they would prevail in the end, especially with fewer men. If your son were of fighting age, would he be among the remaining ten thousand who were willing to fight, or would he be among the twenty-two thousand who wimped out and went home? Without intervention by parents or others, timid boys almost always grow up to be timid men. Warriors have no reason to be timid and afraid; they know whom they serve.</p>
<p>It is my belief that our culture has hijacked many of the components of biblical manhood. They have blurred the lines of what defines a man, leaving our boys and men confused and suffering from an identity crisis of sorts. Many men have abandoned their roles as providers, protectors, and spiritual leaders. Families are falling apart, marriages are in shambles, and gender roles have been redefined. The fallout is great, and today we are experiencing a shortage of real men. If our sons are to be real men, we must first help them cultivate the warrior spirit within. We must prepare them for the battlefields of life and groom them to be warriors, not wimps.</p>
<p>Excerpted from Your Boy: Raising a Godly Son in an Ungodly World (Broadman &amp; Holman Publishers). Copyright © 2006 by Vicki Courtney. Used with permission. All rights reserved.</p>

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<p>Raising Bold Sons<br />
Vicki Courtney<br />
Author, Your Boy<br />
&#8220;And we urge you, brothers, warn those who are idle, encourage the timid, help the weak, be patient with everyone&#8221; (Thess. 5:14).</p>
<p>When Ryan was in kindergarten at a private Christian school, the headmaster would take the time to train the boys on the mechanics of a proper greeting. If he approached Ryan, he would extend his hand and say, &#8220;Well, hello Mr. Courtney. How are you today?&#8221; If Ryan looked down at the ground (like the average five-year-old), the headmaster would patiently and gently tell Ryan to extend his hand, look him directly in the eye, shake his hand firmly, and with confidence say, &#8220;Fine, thank you.&#8221; When Ryan would do so, he would say, &#8220;Atta boy, Ryan &#8212; good firm handshake.&#8221; It was a great example to me and proof that boys as young as five can learn to greet adults respectfully.</p>
<p>Keith and I continued to enforce this school rule of etiquette in our home, and to this day our boys are generally at ease when greeting and conversing with adults. Had we not remained vigilant in training our boys in basic communication etiquette, they probably would be like the many boys who stare at the ground and grunt disrespectfully when adults speak to them. While I realize that many boys may be justifiably &#8220;bashful,&#8221; this does not mean we should allow it to be an excuse to respond to others with silence.</p>
<p>Ryan was my bashful child, and we had to work with him to overcome it. I recall a time when we came to a standoff over his bashfulness. He was about ten years old, and I had told him we could rent a particular movie he had wanted to see. When we pulled up in front of the video rental store, I told him that I would wait in the car while he went in to ask if they had the movie in stock. He begged and pleaded for me to go in and would not budge from the car. I stood firm and told him, &#8220;Ryan, you have to learn to take care of things like this. This person behind the counter does not even know you. You have nothing to lose.&#8221; Finally, he gave up, faced his fear, and went into the store.</p>
<p>I realized that because of his bashfulness, I had grown accustomed to communicating for him over the years, and now it had become an expectation on his part. I had effectively prevented him from learning necessary communication skills that were vital to his future. It was now or never. From that day forward, if he was looking for a particular item to buy with his allowance, I would have him take the initiative to call stores and find out the basic information. He was hesitant at first, but if he wanted the item badly enough, he would eventually break down and call. Today you would never know that Ryan ever had a bashful/shy side to him. Had we not recognized his bashful tendencies early on and made a concentrated effort to help him overcome them, I doubt he would have had the skills to go out and find his first summer job this past year.</p>
<p>If timidity is allowed and even cultivated in our sons&#8217; lives,  it can breed a spiritual timidity over the years. If our sons are allowed to shy away from uncertainties, what will keep them from shying away from matters that require faith?</p>
<p>Do you recall the story of Gideon sending out his messengers to summon the warriors for a battle to deliver the Israelites from the hands of the Midianites? In order to make sure that there is no question that the Israelites would be delivered by the hand of God, Gideon is told by God to pare down his force of warriors so they will have fewer men than the Midianites when they go into battle. To make the first cut of men, God tells Gideon this in Judges 7:3: &#8220;Therefore, tell the people, &#8216;Whoever is timid or afraid may leave and go home.&#8217; Twenty-two thousand of them went home, leaving only ten thousand who were willing to fight&#8221; (NLT).</p>
<p>No doubt, it would take a great amount of faith for the warriors to believe that they would prevail in the end, especially with fewer men. If your son were of fighting age, would he be among the remaining ten thousand who were willing to fight, or would he be among the twenty-two thousand who wimped out and went home? Without intervention by parents or others, timid boys almost always grow up to be timid men. Warriors have no reason to be timid and afraid; they know whom they serve.</p>
<p>It is my belief that our culture has hijacked many of the components of biblical manhood. They have blurred the lines of what defines a man, leaving our boys and men confused and suffering from an identity crisis of sorts. Many men have abandoned their roles as providers, protectors, and spiritual leaders. Families are falling apart, marriages are in shambles, and gender roles have been redefined. The fallout is great, and today we are experiencing a shortage of real men. If our sons are to be real men, we must first help them cultivate the warrior spirit within. We must prepare them for the battlefields of life and groom them to be warriors, not wimps.</p>
<p>Excerpted from Your Boy: Raising a Godly Son in an Ungodly World (Broadman &amp; Holman Publishers). Copyright © 2006 by Vicki Courtney. Used with permission. All rights reserved.</p>

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